Could I Meet Someone I Like Along the Way?
Recorded in Chinese
Starting with people who draw my curiosity, I revisit tracing paintings, watching films, and exploring education at university. I reflect on my interest in the humanities and technology, and hope our paths might cross.
00:00 I've noticed that I
00:02 sometimes become drawn to people for no obvious reason.
00:04 By "drawn to," I mean
00:06 I might see
00:08 a video someone posted,
00:10 or hear
00:11 something they said,
00:13 or read
00:14 something they wrote,
00:15 and think,
00:16 wow, I really want to know this person.
00:21 A recent example
00:23 was a while ago—
00:25 actually, quite a while ago.
00:28 I watched an interview
00:31 by a creator on Xiaohongshu.
00:34 The creator
00:35 was Johnathan Bi.
00:38 That interview was
00:40 with one of Alpha School's founders,
00:46 I believe.
00:47 I'd known of
00:48 Alpha School for quite a while—
00:51 since last year, I think.
00:53 Because I used to work
00:55 in education,
00:57 I've always paid
00:59 close attention to it.
01:01 And once AI took off,
01:04 I became even more interested in how AI could empower education.
01:08 So
01:09 at the intersection of AI and education,
01:14 I've explored quite a lot.
01:17 That podcast episode—
01:19 or rather, that interview—
01:21 happened to fill in
01:23 some of what I'd missed
01:27 when I first learned about Alpha School.
01:29 It filled in those gaps.
01:33 I'd followed Johnathan Bi for a long time,
01:37 but I'd never
01:39 listened closely to his work.
01:42 I'm strange in this way.
01:45 When I see someone
01:47 doing certain things,
01:48 I'll feel
01:49 drawn to them.
01:52 But
01:52 I won't go through everything about them
01:55 exhaustively.
01:58 For example, after following
02:00 Johnathan Bi on Xiaohongshu,
02:03 I wouldn't watch everything he'd made.
02:07 I'd keep a general impression in my mind:
02:10 I know this person fascinates me.
02:14 I might keep following his work,
02:17 but I don't feel the need
02:20 to understand all of his content
02:22 right away.
02:23 So it's a bit like
02:25 learning about someone in pulses.
02:30 Then I started wondering
02:32 why this pattern
02:36 shows up so clearly in me.
02:39 For example,
02:40 some time before that,
02:42 I was curious about someone else.
02:45 My curiosity started because
02:47 I also saw
02:49 an interview with him on Xiaohongshu.
02:52 It wasn't very long—
02:54 maybe one or two minutes.
02:56 But from that interview,
02:58 I got a sense of how he expressed himself:
03:02 his presence,
03:03 and his voice,
03:05 all had a powerful allure for me.
03:09 So I followed his account.
03:13 He's a model,
03:15 and he also
03:15 works in design and magazines.
03:22 I really don't know much about him.
03:26 But besides those things,
03:30 I know that
03:33 he and his friends
03:35 have a podcast on Xiaoyuzhou.
03:39 That's about all I know of his work.
03:42 Yet this person
03:44 feels so compelling to me,
03:46 so magnetic.
03:48 So the day I discovered him,
03:51 I posted
03:54 a text-only post on WeChat Moments.
03:56 I said I hoped that one day
03:59 someone would interview this creator.
04:03 His name is Bohan Qiu.
04:09 If one day
04:11 someone releases an in-depth interview with him,
04:14 I'll definitely listen closely, all the way through.
04:19 Of course, I've also wondered
04:21 what it would be like if I were the interviewer
04:25 and invited him on as a guest.
04:28 But
04:30 I'm not really—
04:32 at the moment, I don't have
04:34 an established podcast of my own.
04:39 I can't seem to find a formal reason
04:42 to message him.
04:43 So
04:45 I'll keep this plan with me for now
04:48 and see if I ever get the chance.
04:51 Speaking of Johnathan Bi,
04:53 I've realized that my experience
04:55 and his
04:56 are somewhat similar.
04:58 His field was related to computer science,
05:06 and later he studied philosophy.
05:09 As for my university major,
05:12 it was also in STEM
05:14 and related to computing,
05:16 but it wasn't strictly computer science.
05:22 Still,
05:22 within that technical field,
05:26 I was very much
05:29 the humanities student among STEM students.
05:32 That was the role I occupied.
05:35 During university,
05:38 although I was studying
05:40 a technical subject,
05:42 nearly everything I explored
05:44 was related to the humanities,
05:48 or the humanities.
05:51 I explored books and films,
05:56 as well as painting,
06:01 and other subjects in arts and humanities.
06:06 One classic example I remember
06:10 is when I was reading a poetry collection.
06:14 The book
06:16 included many paintings.
06:19 I had an idea:
06:23 I wanted to track down
06:25 every painting in the book.
06:28 I wanted to know
06:29 which artists and works
06:31 the illustrations came from.
06:35 So
06:36 I spent—I forget how many days—
06:40 going to...
06:41 going to my university library,
06:43 to the tenth...
06:47 if I remember correctly,
06:48 it was actually the thirteenth floor.
06:51 I immersed myself
06:53 among books on that floor.
06:55 I leafed through album after album,
06:58 trying to find
07:00 which one contained a painting I'd seen.
07:03 The art books would tell me
07:06 who had made each painting
07:08 and when
07:10 it had been painted.
07:13 So I searched all that information.
07:15 Sometimes, though,
07:17 I couldn't find a painting
07:20 in any of our library's art books.
07:22 So
07:23 I'd photograph it with my phone
07:25 and use image search
07:27 to find
07:29 the source of that illustration.
07:31 This was before AI became available,
07:34 so I couldn't use AI
07:36 to identify it directly.
07:38 But that experience
07:40 is still
07:41 something worth remembering.
07:44 I've forgotten
07:45 how many times I'd already
07:46 followed a sudden idea
07:48 and tried something like that.
07:52 In the end,
07:53 of the more than a hundred paintings
07:57 in the book,
08:02 I managed to identify
08:04 the artist and source for just over a hundred.
08:12 But there were still a few I couldn't find.
08:18 Anyway, that's roughly
08:21 what I explored back then.
08:24 Looking back on it now,
08:27 I still find it quite interesting.
08:31 It's one of my most vivid memories
08:34 of exploring the humanities.
08:40 Coming back to Johnathan Bi,
08:42 I've also wondered
08:46 whether I'll ever get to speak with him in person.
08:52 I really don't know.
08:55 Maybe I will,
08:57 maybe I won't.
08:59 But who knows?
09:04 I have a feeling
09:06 that the path I'm on also stands
09:10 at the intersection of humanities and technology,
09:12 where I'm trying to make sense of things.
09:18 I mentioned earlier that
09:19 I've explored many things
09:22 across the humanities.
09:24 Beyond
09:25 painting,
09:27 I've also watched a great many films.
09:30 At this point,
09:32 most film directors people mention
09:35 are ones I've at least explored.
09:38 With some directors,
09:39 I know their names and their films,
09:43 though I hadn't seen them.
09:44 One that caught my attention
09:48 and recently went on my watchlist
09:52 is a film by the Spanish director
09:55 Pedro Almodóvar.
09:58 I think it opened on March 20 this year.
10:03 I haven't seen it yet.
10:05 His films...
10:06 How to put it?
10:07 The colors in them really draw me in,
10:10 and so do their themes.
10:13 Then there are
10:14 certain qualities of the director himself.
10:17 To me, he's a...
10:21 How should I say this?
10:23 Let me explain with another example.
10:26 During university,
10:28 I got involved in soccer.
10:32 Once, at a tournament,
10:36 I volunteered as a photographer.
10:39 As I took photos, I'd observe
10:42 the players on the field—
10:45 how they looked and how they played.
10:48 Then something happened.
10:51 There was
10:52 a player with medium-length hair.
10:57 Wow, he immediately caught my attention.
11:00 That moment later led me
11:05 to some other unusual experiences,
11:07 also related to soccer.
11:10 Maybe I'll talk about them someday.
11:13 I'll save them for a future audio episode.
11:18 I mentioned films, paintings, and books.
11:24 Oh, when it comes to reading,
11:26 I've explored a lot:
11:29 psychology,
11:31 psychoanalysis, philosophy,
11:37 and, as I mentioned, education.
11:42 At university, my exploration of education
11:45 mainly centered on
11:47 my own self-education.
11:49 I paid close attention to youth organizations,
11:53 whether they had study tours
11:54 or physical community spaces.
11:56 I followed all of them closely.
11:58 Those explorations
12:00 raised my understanding to another level.
12:06 My exploration of film
12:09 also began at university.
12:11 That's also when I entered the world of music.
12:15 I learned about post-rock,
12:19 and instrumental music.
12:22 That started in university too
12:25 and has stayed with me ever since.
12:29 I'm also interested in
12:33 things like
12:34 how technology
12:36 shapes how we think.
12:39 That's another area I explore with great curiosity.
12:44 I often wonder
12:47 why I'm so interested
12:49 in both the humanities and technology.
12:51 Maybe it's because
12:55 in high school, we had to choose between arts and sciences.
13:00 At the time, I wondered,
13:01 should I choose humanities or science?
13:04 I'd always been interested in the humanities,
13:07 but I ultimately chose science.
13:10 My reasoning was very simple:
13:13 I thought I was too emotional
13:16 and needed some rationality to balance me out.
13:20 As a teenager,
13:22 I didn't know
13:23 what humanities and sciences really meant.
13:26 I chose my direction based only
13:29 on the words "rational" and "emotional."
13:34 So I chose science,
13:36 hoping to learn a more rational way of thinking
13:40 to balance my emotional side.
13:46 Later, I chose a computing-related major.
13:50 More precisely,
13:52 it was an engineering major related to computing,
13:54 not pure computer science.
13:56 I chose it because at the time,
13:59 I thought computers
14:04 seemed interesting.
14:06 And back then,
14:07 programming also seemed like a lucrative career.
14:12 So I chose that major.
14:14 My first real encounter
14:20 with computers and code
14:22 didn't come from
14:24 using phones or computers.
14:26 It came from a computer class in high school.
14:30 Our teacher gave us
14:34 some very, very simple
14:36 introductory programming lessons.
14:39 I think we used VS Code?
14:46 I don't remember.
14:47 But we did open
14:52 an IDE and write some code.
14:55 The code was extremely simple,
14:57 extremely basic—
14:59 just what a high school student could learn.
15:02 And that computer class...
15:06 I can't remember whether it
15:08 started in my first year of high school.
15:11 I really don't remember.
15:13 Anyway, that was the opportunity
15:15 that set me on the path to where I am now.
15:18 Ah, I've forgotten what I was saying
15:21 about humanities and technology.
15:23 Anyway, I think these two
15:28 will remain key areas I explore in the future.
15:32 I mentioned two creators I follow:
15:36 Johnathan Bi
15:38 and Bohan Qiu.
15:43 The last creator is
15:44 Cao Jiang Jiang Jiang Jiang (草匠匠匠匠).
15:49 At first,
15:50 I didn't know about her.
15:52 One of my young students told me about her.
15:55 Since I'd worked
15:57 in education,
15:58 I recommended some
16:01 sex education content in class.
16:04 Then
16:05 one of my students
16:08 recommended Cao Jiang Jiang Jiang Jiang (草匠匠匠匠) to me after class.
16:13 My class got her interested in
16:17 sex ed.
16:17 Then one day, she came across
16:21 a Xiaohongshu video
16:23 posted by this creator.
16:26 It was the pinned video
16:28 at the top of her profile.
16:30 If you follow her,
16:33 you'll know which video
16:35 I mean.
16:36 At the time, this student
16:39 had originally found it on Bilibili
16:42 and shared the link with me.
16:44 Later,
16:45 after I started using Xiaohongshu,
16:47 I searched for
16:50 the creator's account there
16:54 and followed her.
16:55 And I noticed that
16:57 her pinned Xiaohongshu video
16:59 is still the same one my student shared.
17:04 Hmm.
17:05 Anyway, I've said a lot.
17:09 It probably sounds quite scattered.
17:11 But the only two points I can remember are
17:16 humanities and technology.
17:19 And if I added one more,
17:21 it would be these people I'm inexplicably drawn to.
17:26 They're all precious to me.
17:28 I hope that in the future
17:30 our paths might cross.
17:34 I don't know if that will happen,
17:37 but I'm working toward it
17:41 and looking forward to it.